TSGL: ATTN: RAYMOND.........Re: Antispyware Win2K
Olivia Francis
thecrosseyedcow at gmail.com
Sat Mar 3 18:05:39 EST 2007
Toni
>From what I understand, Raymond is no longer with the List.
Looks like someone else will have to help you with your question.
Olivia
On 3/3/07, Beezersmom at aol.com <Beezersmom at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Raymond, since you are a Certified Information Systems Security
> Professional
> (CISSP) would you
> recommend to any of us on this list to follow the advise in the article
> by
> Mark Snyder? You've told us that you are a huge fan of NOD32 and use it
> on
> all your PC's, would you even consider throwing all your NOD32's to the
> wind or
> would that be akin to living on the edge or the last rock?
> I, along with probably some other members, would truly be interested
> in what
> you would have to say on Mark's article since your speciality is Computer
> Security and would appreciate and respect your opinion, thanks in
> advance.
> I'm not giving up my paid PC-cillin not matter what, so are we
> wasting money
> or protecting our PC's?
> BTW, I haven't received any of the emails on this subject except
> misterclever's. I did go to the Archives to check it out and there
> are about 20 emails
> that I haven't received before and after
> _TSGL: : Make your internet faster, safer, smarter. _
> (http://tsgserver.com/pipermail/list_tsgserver.com/2007-March/012293.html) Chuck
> Neuenschwander
> _annandchuck at yahoo.com _
> (mailto:list at tsgserver.com
> ?Subject=TSGL:%20:%20Make%20your%20internet%20faster,%20safer,%20smarter.&In-Reply-To=
> 45E4801C.8050003 at gm
> ail.com) Fri Mar 2 12:34:17 EST 2007 and my email it's dated 3/2/2007
> 2:14:29 PM Eastern Standard Time being the last one I received
> before right
> before misterclever's.
> Toni
> "Everyone needs to be loved...especially when they do not deserve it."
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2007 11:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> misterclever at hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> So my conclusion is, if you can't quite bring yourself to "cut the cord"
> at
> least go the free route and save some bucks.
> ----------------------------
>
> I actually agree wholeheartedly - I often chuckle at the posts on here by
> people running 3 AV apps and seven bloatware antispyware apps when all
> they
> need to do is stop downloading some new kittens screensaver or stop using
> thirty seven different smiley emoticons in their email.
>
> That being said, it's useful to at least run a spyware scan now and again
> -
> Hence my question about Windows 2000 compatibility.
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff Glave
> Vancouver, Canada
>
> >From: H Davis <hdavis1 at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Tech Support Guy Mailing List <list at tsgserver.com>
> >To: Tech Support Guy Mailing List <list at tsgserver.com>
> >Subject: Re: TSGL: Antispyware Win2K
> >Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:42:32 -0500
> >
> >This is a condensation of an article written by Mark Snyder which
> >appeared in Neat Net Tricks Premium, issue 138, 2/28/07. There are no
> >easily available archives for you to access the article and I was
> >reluctant to copy it here completely but the preceding issue of NNT
> >asked readers to forward a copy to their friends to increase readership.
> >So I guess I'm stretching a point by forwarding this but it's
> >interesting and applicable. I've shortened it a lot.
> >
> >You can subscribe to NNT at http://www.neatnettricks.com/ I think it's
> >about $12/year.
> >
> >***************************
> >Having already in these pages taken such controversial, i.e. "crazy"
> >stances such as defending spam and even AOL(!), it seemed only expected
> >that I might now suggest that antivirus and anti-spyware applications
> >are not only unnecessary but a waste of your computer's resources. So,
> >on September 2, 2006 I disabled all security applications with the
> >exception of my firewall. I did not, however, put my $3,000.00 in
> >computer equipment at risk simply to write an article for this
> >publication nor did I undertake this action without serious
> >consideration. It was simply that I was tired of the cost, both in
> >dollars and computer resources that this security was exacting on me and
> >my equipment. I suspected that much, if not all, of this security
> >paranoia was being created by the very entities that claimed to prevent
> it.
> >
> >Do I still have a computer? Is it riddled nearly unusable with virus and
> >spyware? Have I lost my mind? Read on and decide for yourself.
> >
> >Fear can also be used by companies (and governments) to support and
> >promote actions and policies that otherwise might be ignored. For
> >example, while many malware alarms are legitimate, I have the feeling
> >that, all too often, the purpose of the warnings is to advertise the
> >company's software by creating paranoia rather than as a public service.
> >
> >The Pew Group published a study in which 92 percent of 1,000 PC owners
> >interviewed admitted to having various software programs installed on
> >their computers at an average cost of $129.00 Of this same number, only
> >seven percent could actually recall having had their computer infected
> >before or since having installed the software. Furthermore, of those who
> >reported using security software in an active (always on) mode, fewer
> >than one percent reported having ever seen a warning that the software
> >had stopped an attack. Yet, we all continue to purchase or download and
> >install the latest most powerful antivirus programs, antispyware
> >programs, anti-trojan programs, adware blocking programs, and on and on.
> >In fact, not only do we install these programs on our computers but we
> >are told that we must keep them running in "background" or "active
> >mode," allow them to start as soon as our computer boots, and even allow
> >the ability for them to "phone home" at will (a true security breach) so
> >that they can automatically install updates. But even that is yet not
> >enough. We find that we now must have a "layered defense," (something
> >even I promoted two years ago in an article for this same publication)
> >meaning that maybe having just one of each of these programs is not
> >enough! And who is telling us this? For the most part, the makers of the
> >software programs themselves.
> >
> >In recent years, there has been a lot of debate over whether there is
> >any need to run antispyware applications or even an antivirus program.
> >In fact, according to the well-respected security expert George Ou,
> >"Running an antivirus program on a personal computer is like having a
> >bomb squad inspect a suspicious package inside the house right next to
> >you." He continues, "Running antivirus or third party security software
> >such as antispyware programs and firewalls makes you even less safe!"
> >http://blogs.zdnet.com/OU/?p=234&tag=nl.e622 In this same article, Mr.
> >Ou claims to have run personal computers for over fifteen years using
> >some form or another of Windows and has never had a virus on his
> >computer. He claims that even his family computer runs without an
> >antivirus or antispyware program and has never experienced any problems.
> >His findings are backed up by Adrian Kingsley- Hughes, writing in the
> >November 15, 2006 issue of Zdnet. Mr. Kingsley-Hughes argues that an
> >over- reliance on security software (which, as you may have by now
> >concluded if you have read this far, is not all that secure) creates
> >"sloppy thinking". Using "common sense", he says, will go much further
> >in protecting your computer than relying on software programs.
> >
> >I agree. It is well known that most true computer experts and IT
> >professionals do not use security software as such. They have long known
> >that the disease is worse than the cure and that the way to protect your
> >computer is by securing it through such means as limiting administrative
> >rights, etc. In a quick and admittedly unscientific survey that I took
> >for this article, only two out of 16 IT professionals and three out of
> >22 qualified experts I contacted use any type of antivirus or
> >antispyware programs running on their home computers. This is not to say
> >that they do not use programs to scan for spyware or viruses; but rather
> >than running them actively, they use them only on demand to manually
> >scan. All admitted that the drain on computer resources far outweighs
> >any potential benefit received from having these programs running in the
> >background and increasing the potential threats to their systems.
> >
> >So, armed with all of the above information, I disabled all of my many
> >security programs other than my firewall on September 2, 2006. As of
> >this date, January 4, 2007, they are still disabled. I surfed the Web as
> >much as I always do, visited the same type of sites that I always do,
> >downloaded around thirty-five programs, many for future NNT reviews but
> >also a large number of freeware programs. I used my computer no
> >differently than I ever do. I am using a DSL connection and am on line
> >24/7, and generally on the Internet an average of 7 hours per day. The
> >only disclaimer I do need to make is that I do not use peer-to-peer file
> >sharing programs nor am I a connoisseur of pornography, both types of
> >computer use known to increase one's risk of infection. I scanned my
> >computer once a week for viruses using AVG 7.5 and scanned for spyware
> >once a week using A Squared, Ewido, CounterSpy, Spyware Doctor,
> >ZeroSpyware, and SpySweeper, simply to make sure that I could report my
> >results as honestly and thoroughly as possible. In four months of use I
> >found zero viruses, and the only spyware discovered was an occasional
> >tracking cookie (Atwola and About.com) which were easily removed. That's
> >it. Period. What I did find, however, was that by not having these
> >security programs load at start-up my boot time decreased from
> >approximately 107 seconds to 33 seconds and my computer responded as if
> >I had just doubled my CPU and RAM. RAM usage alone dropped by 20 percent
> >and on my machine that was like installing another 200MB of RAM!
> >
> >Do I recommend that each of you reading this do likewise and disable all
> >of your security software? That is for you to decide.
> >********************************************
> >
> >I share Snyder's opinion and have a NAT router (includes a hardware
> >firewall function) for my Internet connection and run the free Zone
> >Alarm firewall on each machine on the network. But I still use AVG free
> >antivirus and Windows Defender, also free, as my only active,
> >continuously running "anti" ware on each machine. I scan occassionally
> >with AdAware, Spybot and AVG AntiSpyware and can't remember the last
> >time I saw any kind of alert except tracking cookies. And one of the
> >machines on my network is still running XP, SP1 with NO updates since it
> >was bought. We refer to it around here as "the grand experiment".
> >
> >So my conclusion is, if you can't quite bring yourself to "cut the cord"
> >at least go the free route and save some bucks.
> >
> >H Davis
> >
> >Geoff Glave wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Just wondering what anti-spyware app people are liking for Windows
> > > 2000 these days? I was a big fan of MS-AS & then defender, but they
> > > don't support Win2K any more, so I'm looking for suggestions.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Geoff Glave
> > > Vancouver, Canada
> > >
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